God will not be mocked.

This WAS my church...

''And if you be unwilling to serve the LORD, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.''

(Joshua 24:15)

This is deeply disturbing to me. I am a cradle Episcopalian and I just feel like I need to re-think the whole thing.

[The Episcopal Church, with 2.3 million members, is the U.S. branch of the 77-million-member global Anglican Communion, which has been debating the role of gays for decades. A win by Robinson was expected to build momentum for other policy changes that would be favorable to homosexuals.]

Formerly 2.3 million member church, tomorrow.

A full schism would trigger, among other things, bitter fights over parish assets and undercut the global influence of the U.S. church.

Hardly a bad thing, under the circumstances.

I do not wish harm on anyone, ever. But perhaps God may chose to do something to show these people their wrongs. I have to leave it up to Him, because if I took it into my own hands, it wouldn't be pretty. Father knows best.

Tim LaHaye, please call your office.

"Some conservative American parishes had already formed breakaway movements, such as the Anglican Mission in America, which remains within the Anglican Communion but rejects the Episcopal Church.

The American Anglican Council, which represents conservative Episcopalians, said before Monday's vote that if delegates approved Robinson's election, opponents would hold an "extraordinary meeting" in October to decide their next move."

Let the renewal begin.

After a very thorough 15-20 minute "investigation," Swish!
The atheists in the Liberal "mainsteam media" are singing "Hallelujah!" Had this been a Catholic priest, they'd be throwing rocks and screaming for a crucifixion.

It is simple. Any who remain "Episcopalian" after today are not Christian. Call themselves what they may, they are NOT Christians.

The same thing is happening to the PCUSA and the Methodists, so there is no "shelter" there.

Baptists are the ONLY "mainline" denomination that is adhering to the biblical standards, and OBTW is actually continueing to GROW.

Numerically, for every member the liberal denominations have lost during the past 20-30 years, the Southern Baptists have ADDED a member. They are now numbered more than 20 Million if I recall correctly.

Gee. D'ya s'pose there is a link?

DBF!

There is much divisiveness occurring around the country. Here in Augusta, GA. at the grand, old moneyed 1st Baptist Church, the birthplace of the Southern Baptist Convention, a leading liberal Democrat member and his cronies engineered running off the minister. The situation is so explosive and full of dirty tricks by the cadre of four that an honest to goodness fistfight broke out in the sanctuary. It has torn the church apart. It is a clash of liberal theology vs. Bible believers.

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I.F.C.

Aren't President Bush's parents (Former President and Barbara) Episcolalian? Maybe I don't recall that correctly. Wonder what they think of this.

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The heart and soul of the traditional family is at risk. Someone on another thread wanted to know why we were wasting so much energy on 5% of the Population. It is not the 5% we are expending energy for it is for our families and the fact that the 5% are trying to destroy the traditional family. No longer are they subtle about it they have gotten quite brazen and we can no longer be complacent about this we need to start to fight back somehow.

I hope the good Episcopalians will stand
as one, and leave. This is a creeping poison in our culture, and we must stop giving ground. Hit them in the pocketbook by leaving. Maybe then this madness will end.

For the Episcos to have come this far they must have turned from Scripture decades ago. To embrace and promote a vile sinner, when men of the cloth are supposed to be beyond reproach is simply pagan.

Next this 'bishop' will probably be running a church bath house for 'wayward teens' and calling it something sweet sounding.

I know there are decent clergy but they are
fast becoming obsolete.

There seems to be no end to scandals and no
limit to the depravity that 'men of God' are
engaged in.

In my mid sized city we have recently had
a reverend arrested for working as a
transvestite prostitute and another, who
served on the city council, arrested for
taking bribes and lying to the FBI- on tape.

Add to that the 'parade of perverted priests'
as a local radio talk show host referred to
our contingent of disgraced Catholic clergy
and I now look upon the clergy more with
disgust than reverence.

#4-- I'm very sorry. My husband was brought up in the Episcopal church, but only one brother now attends because his wife, who's a truly devout Christian, is also Episcopalian. I don't know what they'll do either.

As for comments by Robinson and his supporters that the American Episcopal church didn't split before when the issues were the ordination of women or gays, the membership has steadily declined since then until it is now a sect (less than 1% of the US population) while the worldwide orthodox (little "o") Anglican church is growing and flourishing.

BTW, in the US, the top two denominations now by number of members are Roman Catholic and Baptist.

#19, most of the "mainline" churches started turning away from Christianity in the 19th century. By 1925, they had pretty much rejected the faith. It has taken this long for the logical consequences of their apostasy to work themselves out.

I am an optimist. I think this is the beginning of a new day. God is calling His church out of their church.

''...that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first...''

Watch for the Lord's soon return.

Freewill...they have chosen....wrongly in my estimation. Those who follow this do so as knowledgeable co-conspirators and in agreement with it. Woe be to unto those that mock the lord!

Didn't he betray his oath of ordination by practicing homosexuality? This is what Episcopalians will look up too? Don't know how anyone can follow this guy with what is right or wrong.

The pedophiles beastiality people are getting ready to press their cases now.

Does anyone in a leadership position stand for anything decent and good anymore?

The Church Of "If It Feels Good Do It."

And what does their "god" demand of them?

"Thou shalt not honor the sanctity of marriage with a woman. It is abomination."

"Thou shalt kill babies."

"Thou shalt commit adultery."

etc. etc.

I think this catechism has already been around for as long as humankind. It's called devil worship.

<< Robinson, a 56-year-old divorced father of two, has been living with his male partner for 13 years and serving as an assistant to the current New Hampshire bishop, who is retiring. Parishioners there said they chose Robinson simply because he was the best candidate. >>

Kind of frightening that he's the "best" of the crop. Good grief. What else is hiding in the Episcopalian closet?

Let's remember that not every Episcopalian is represented in this vote. I trust that the Church will prevail and there will be a realignment throughout the denomination.

we need to get back to the faith of our founding fathers which is the bible, right now there is even a faction of southern baptist who are ordaining women pastors. a am a baptist who has now turned to a bible non denominational church which sticks to the 5 solas of the faith.

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It seems the Bible is as irrelevant as the Constitution in today's PC, warm, fuzzy world!!!

When do they vote on marriages for homosexuals? Soon, I think. Can't wait.

For the poster who inquired of the elder Bush's church: Yes, they are Episcopalian. But the former President publicly denounced a bishop (somewhere on the east coast) for saying that his son was an evil person for launching the war in Iraq against Saddam Hussein. I think that the Bush family is likely to go to the ''October meeting'' kind of Episcopal church.

The same folks are working on a 'sacred union' litergy. The church cannot sanction homosex marriage, as marriage is a civil contract in the US (you need a license). No license, no marriage. Of course, just give Mass. a little more time.

By this act the Episcopal Church is now on record as having rejected traditional Christian standards of morality based upon Christ's teachings as recorded in the Scriptures.

Their inclusion of "bi-sexuality," which by definition cannot be monogamous, in their "inclusiveness" stands as a key indicator of the depths of decadence to which this church has sunk.

Thus, the Episcopal Church has now initiated the schism in which they have separated themselves from traditional Bible-based Christianity. Good riddance!

To #36 in the previous post who said, “If God didn't want this to happen, he would have prevented it.” Please re-check your theology. Your view of God is in line with Eastern Mysticism, but not biblical Judeo-Christian theology. The God of the Bible has given us the free will to make stupid and sinful mistakes. He also holds us accountable for them. And, Praise His name, has made provision for them. It’s up to us to believe in His Provision to be forgiven.

Also, there are some interesting parallels in this situation, and verses about the People wandering in the wilderness.
Psalm 106:13: “They soon forgot His works; they did not wait for His counsel, 14) But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tested God in the desert.
15) And He gave them their request, but sent leanness into their soul [or a wasting disease among them]. New King James [New American Standard]

Bible believing Episcopalians should leave that church and form their own reform church. The once great Episcopal church should now be renamed. I can think of a few good ones......

Baptists are the ONLY "mainline" denomination that is adhering to the biblical standards, and OBTW is actually continueing to GROW.

I would dispute that. There are conservative branches of the Lutheran, Presbyterian and Episcopal churches which are adhering to biblical standards. I will suggest, respectfully, that the Catholic and Orthodox are also doing so, although I suspect the poster won't like that. I'm not going to debate it or fight it, btw, don't have the energy tonight.

And all of the conservative branches are growing, as is the Catholic church. I am thrilled to learn that two intellectual giants, Robert Bork and Laura Ingrahm got baptised and converted to the Catholic church last Easter!

I just watched this "friend" of Robinson on O'Reilly praising his "friend" of many years and the vote to confirm him. This guy had the GULL to say that Scripture was not their guideline, (that was clear) but the Holy Spirit was. Uhhhh...???

The Holy Spirit (God) would NEVER lead contrary to God's Word.

This makes me very ill. Romans 1:24-32.
I am not an Episcopalian, but I say to you...Your church as been hijacked by corrupt individuals who reject and blaspheme the holiness of our God and the authority of Scripture.

One smart-mouth said to stay in his (O'Reilly's) church and leave everyone elses alone. Ignorant people...it's one Church, ie. the Body of Christ and God will discipline His Church.

Don't be suprised if the worldwide Anglican community declares the US Episcopalian church to be an apostate religion. The Episcopalians who rely on scripture as the only basis for truth will have to leave the church.

So, are they going to start praying "To whom it may concern..."?

I read where way back in the woods of Arkansas even some episcopalians handle snakes.

I know very little about Episcopalians, are they not Scripture-based? How can they reconcile the Bible teachings with homosexuality in one of their leaders?

Bishop Robinson and his church just stuck their thumbs in the Lord's eye while He was on the cross.

To support #40. I am a Southern Baptist, and I have met many people from other denominations who are strong Christians. There are other not as well known denominations that are Bible-believing as well. Christian Missionary Alliance comes to mind. However we choose to worship, let's stick together on this and pray for our spiritual brothers and sisters who are likely wrestling with this decision.

While appointing an open homosexual as a bishop is a very grave step by the Episcopal church, it is not worse than the decades-long career of an openly atheistic bishop, Bishop Spong. Here is a recent article by him laying out his idea of a "non-theistic" Christianity, i.e., a Christianity that finds divinity not in God but in our selves, followed by a link to a comment by me about the article. (I previously tried to post these addresses as links but it didn't work, so I'm just presenting the addresses which you can copy and paste into your browser's address bar.)

http://www.dioceseofnewark.org/vox21096.html

http://www.counterrevolution.net/vfr/archives/001657.html#7752

I think the thing that really disturbs me most is that the liberals will rant that we are a bunch of homophobes (afraid of homosexuals???? NOT!), when we stand up for the truth, but as a Christian, I know God loves this guy and what he's doing is hurting God. And as a Christian, I have to love him, too. But, I don't have to love what he's done. I guess it's good news/bad news--the good news is that Jesus is coming soon! The bad news is that it's not soon enough!

Amazing (or is it?) that this is such a story. Of course, NPR and PBS are breathless with endless stories. Here in Montana, Yellowstone Public radio had about a million stories on this. Actually, I lost count after about 8 or 9.

This was utterly predictable. in fact, I say it was planned. the Episcopal Church has been sliding down the proverbial slippery slope for decades. Anti war protests, preo gay protests, anti globalism protests, pro "third way" protests, anti apartheid protests, ad nauseum.

And no - I don't ant to hear from any "Episcopalian" L Dotters who will say how distressed they are and how "we're not all like ths..." I've heard it before. Why didn't you do something 30 years ago when teh writing was VERY CLEARLY on the wall?

Old marine Sarge

I now look upon the clergy more with
disgust than reverence.

Which is EXACTLY what Satan wants you to do.

There are thousands and thousands of good and Godly ministers and priests. Our job is to prop them up and support them, let them know, as we do our service people, that we appreciate their service and see how difficult it is for them to endure all of these scandals.

Episcopalling......

Usually, when one speaks of 'mainline' or oldline, they are talking about the formally moderate protestant denominations. Thus, it would include the (northern) Baptists but not Southern Baptists. Nor would it include the Roman Catholics or Orthodox. The breakaway groups such as the PCA and Anglicans are indeed, breakaway and not mainline. That's how I've always read it. Anyway, these mainliners all seem to be burying members a whole faster than they are replacing them. Wait until until the WWII era vets, (the parents of the baby boomers and the bulk of today's members) pass to on the great beyond. There won't be enough 'piscies' left to pay the church light bill.
The only mainline denomination I see surviving are the Methodists - as they are still pretty big, sort of moderate, and it's where many disgruntled mainline types go when their own church gets too unbearable.

A very sad day. This is a great betrayal of the many faithful members of the Episcopal Church, and those who have gone before them in faith. A small, militant minority was intent on taking a radical action that cannot be reconciled with any historic understanding of Christianity, leaving the faithful Episcoplians whose offerings pay their salaries without a home in their own church.

The Episocpal Church, by its actions, has severed its connection to the Body of Christ. And it is sending the message that, from now on, sexual morality is no part of Christ's message. All that remains is a prohibition against adultery, a prohibition watered down by the fact that marriage is not permanent. (Robinson is divorced as well). As I said, a very sad day.

I like #52

First the family, then the schools, now the church. Does anyone doubt the destruction of everything good and decent is the goal??

I belong to a very conservative branch of the Presbyterian church (PCA-Presbyterian Church of America), and there are NO ordained homosexual pastors, to my knowledge. Also, no female pastors, elders or deacons. It is just wonderful to worship God among a group of bible-believing brothers and sisters in Christ.

The growth is really happening in the bible-teaching, non-denominational churches (mine included), who don't have to answer to any higher authority except God. I know it's a cliche, but it's a relationship, NOT religion. People who come to our church from many various "religious" backgrounds are amazed and can't believe that it's not about what we do, but what Christ did for us. It's finished!

As a member of an Anglo-Catholic (the traditionalist, high-church wing of the Anglican communion) parish, I am a bit less shocked and appalled by this event than many conservative Episcopalians. And this is because I have known for years that the Anglican church in its higher levels is an anti-Christian, leftist organization. I had only become an Episcopalian because, notwithstanding the general corruption of the Episcopalian church, by God's grace his Spirit and the reality of Christian truth manifested through the church in my parish. I've always known that true Christianity is a remnant or island within the Episcopal church as a whole. That may continue to be true, even after this horrible decision.

Gramsci's 'long march through the institutions'. It's all part of the leftist agenda.
I have read that this guy also denies the divinity of Christ. I guess even that is no longer shocking; after all Spong and those Jesus Seminar types have been denying the basic tenets of the faith for years.
And BTW does the 'V' in 'V. Gene Robinson' really stand for Vicky? Honest?

Very respectfully #51...those good and Godly ministers and priests had better step up to the plate and lead.

The Apostle Paul was incredulous that the Corinthians allowed a man involved in incest to retain fellowship within the church. Though he wasn't "present" he turned "such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh..."

Yet our leaders allow sin to abound and hang back from renouncing it. I can almost see Jesus clearing the Temple/Church...The place that is called by His Name has become so corrupt.

(OK...I promise, I'm off my soapbox; at least for tonight.)

Heard someone from this convention say that "God is teaching us new things about human sexuality" and that this vote reflects the Church's "openness" to Him. GAG!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us!

If these people don't want to believe the Bible and follow the teachings of the Bible why do they bother with calling themselves Christians and trying to destroy a Christian institution - the church.

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My my aren't all of you "good" Christians feeling righteous tonight. I for one think the Episcopalians should have dealt with the homosexual issue just like the Roman Catholics have doen so successfully --- pretend it doesn't exist.

Why would we think that eight years of Clinton "morality" would have no effect on society? Character no longer counts!

I never thought I would see God so mocked in this country, in my lifetime. We are truly in the end times

I'll be interested to see what God allows to happen in the next few months with this mess. Sounds like a good way to stir up those Episcopalians who may have been lukewarm in their faith before now to do some soul-searching and finally choose Whom and what (Biblically) they will believe-- God's way of winnowing the wheat from the chaff.

On another note, we recently attended a memorial service at an Episcolpalian church. What we couldn't get over was the whole service was presided over by women. (Well, there was one really elderly male priest who participated a little and one younger guy with a long ponytail, but there were at least 6 older women up there, one, a relative told us, was a lesbian.) Where were all the men? Coming from a Baptist church which doesn't ordain women, this was a strange experience for us.

I will pray that God uses this to further His will and that the eyes of my Episcopalian friends will be opened.

The church is imploding

The episcopalians need to take their church back. Or, are we supposed to surrender every institution to them, like the YWCA? We will run out of organizations, and room, to run, if we start walking away now. Yesterday, I saw some defender of this bishop say that homosexuality isn't a sin, it's a gift from God. That makes anyone who opposes homosexuality an enemy of God, in his mind. Does anyone understand where this is headed?

About the 'last-minute smear tactics' -- what about the 5-minute phony 'investigation' that supposedly cleared the Bishop? How can a real investigation be over so fast? Whitewash.
And Pat Robertson never prayed for any deaths; talk about smears! He prayed for some of the SC Justices to retire. Questionable, maybe, but it ain't praying for anyone's death.
The PC crowd is winning the battle for the moment; I don't know why they can't just let up on their onslaught for a while. Some of us are feeling battle-weary!

To those like #48 who have trouble with including a clickable link. Note the sentence just above the post reply window:

Do not include quotation marks in any image or anchor tags.

So when you do the
[a href=http://...]Click Here[/a]
(replacing the brackets with the greater-than & lesser-than symbols) LEAVE OUT THE QUOTATION MARKS that in other situations one puts around the URL after a href=.

I am an LCMS Lutheran, one of the reasons
I left the ECLA (Every Liberal Cause In America)or,Evangelical Lutheran Church in
America was its 'dialogue' or Pulpit sharing with other denominations, including Espicopals. Without examination of the difference in beliefs.I firmly believe that
God's wrath is going to pour out on this
Nation. This is not not at all good for
the Christian church in America, regardless of Denomination.

OK...now we all know that if a married Episcopal priest decides to become Catholic, he can stay married and still be a priest (yes, the native born RC's have a real logic problem with that....but no matter for now). If a married Episcopal Bishop becomes Catholic, is he still a bishop? (obviously he is still married).

Since Vatican II the religious services of the two denominations (the "Mass") are virtually interchangable, anyway (though the Episcopal one is longer)

#43. Ha. Ha. Right!

And, the good news is that Jesus surely must be coming back very soon. I agree.

I'm sure Satan is having his celebatory glass of champagne this evening and once again, he won't realize until tomorrow that he lost. Just as he gloated on the day of Christ's crucifixtion, thinking he had "won". Since he's not as smart as our heavenly Father, it took him awhile to figure out that the thing he had engineered actually set into motion the thing he feared most....people being redeemed unto salvation. What has happened is a bad thing that can still be turned to good. Those who are lukewarm about their faith will fall apart while those of us who truly believe will become stronger. "Be still and know that I am God." Alright, Lord, but sometimes it is so, so, so hard.

This is an Abomination unto the Lord.......the Bible is very clear and the Lord will not be mocked.

I believe the followers of the future Anti-Christ are *lining up* already.......

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. The comments from these supporters of this Gay Bishop are disgusting and are selling their souls to the Devil.

#74: A married Episcopal priest who enters the Latin-Rite Catholic Church becomes a Catholic layman. He does not "remain" a priest, because Anglican Holy Orders are not valid in the view of the Catholic Church (well, a few might retain Apostolic Succession, if you could trace it back, but the form of ordination is lacking).

In SOME circumstances, such men are permitted to become Catholic priests. They are not, however, allowed to be pastors of parishes, nor could they ever become bishops. This is parallel with the Eastern-Rite Catholic Churches, which permit men to marry before (but not after) ordination, and similarly do not elevate married men to higher Church offices.

Even married Catholic permanent deacons aren't permitted to remarry if they become widowed.

All this comports with the Apostle's statement that the unmarried are "busy about the things of the Lord." That, and the fact that many serious Catholics wish to imitate the celibacy of Christ, accounts for the emphasis on chastity among clergy and Religious.

For a little bit of hope...check out this NEW TRAILER from Mel Gibson on THE PASSION...

http://www.harvest.org/special/index.php/1/2/6.html

The timing of the gay offensive (word chosen carefully) is no coincidence. Bush committed himself to oppose them, and they are attacking him right there. It's just starting. We are about to learn whether America will choose to repent or relent.

-It is simple. Any who remain "Episcopalian" after today are not Christian. Call themselves what they may, they are NOT Christians.-

Being a Christian is not based on labels. It requireds an act of faith, the acceptance of God's gift, His Son. That being said, this is a black day. I feel as though I have awakened on the wrong planet.

If conservative Episcopalians become Anglicans, who will own the many, valuable churches?

I was just watching Hannity and Colmes and there were two Episcoplaian bishops on. I was in the kitchen making dinner, and so help me, I heard one of them say that nowhere in the Bible did it say that homosexuality was a sin. Did anyone else hear this, and please, correct me if I heard wrong. I swear, this world is headed someplace in a handbasket.

I agree #67. Revelations 2:18-

To the angel of the church in Thyatira, write this:

The sone of God, whose eyes are like a fiery flame and whose feet are like polished brass, says this: "I know your works, your love, faith, service, and endurance, and that your last works are greater than the first. Yet I hold this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, who teaches and misleads my servants to play the harlot and to eat food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her harlotry. So I will cast her on a sickbed and plunge those who commit adultery with her into intense suffering unless they repent of her works...."

Thank you Allegra for the site. A blessing on you and your household.

“…at the present time there is a remnant left, selected out of grace and truth.”

(Romans 11:5)

I realize I have taken the position in the past that there is a vast distance between homosexuality and other forms of deviant sexual behavior such as beastiality and incest.

After reading the 'Report of the Theology Committee of the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church' which was adopted by the House of Bishops on March 19, 2003, I am not so sure there is such a vast distance.

While this report does devote a small section to delineate homosexuality apart from the other types of deviant sexual behavior, the overall impression I got from the report is that human sexualality, in general and irrespective of type, is a gift from God and thusly should not be denounced, shunned, or banned.

Such a stance makes the distance between various sexual behaviors quite small indeed.

Why not at least call your local Catholic parish? As our President said, we're all sinners, but maybe we can all find forgiveness.

#64. I bet you didn't object to Anita Hill coming up at the 11th hour with a 'last minute' smear tactic...some dirty jokes...that went on for weeks and weeks of investigation.

Hypocrite.

I left ECUSA for Rome over twenty years ago, and not a moment too soon.

Does the Bible endorse any religion? The answer is no. The Bible says that Christ is the church. Many religions call themselves christians, but what is a christian. A believer in Christ and his teachings. His teaching says that we are all sinners (Romans 3:23). Romans 6:23 says that the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. How do we attain that gift? Romans 10:9 says, "That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." It is not a matter of going to church or participating in the rites of a church. As a previous poster said, it is not about religion but about a relationship (with Christ).

Episcopalians: "We want Barabas! Give us Barabas!"

If conservative Episcopalians become Anglicans, who will own the many, valuable churches?


I have been waiting for someone to bring this up.

Here is what is going to happen, not just to the Episcopalians, but to the Catholics, as well, when the 'AMERICAN' Catholic Church breaks away from Rome...which WILL happen.

You will see the liberal churches bring lawsuits against the conservative, charging the conservative churches with 'hate speech, hate crime, intolerance, suppression and discrimination'.

The courts, which are already almost out of control, will say...'by golly your right...you need to be compensated...your compensation with be the properties of this church - schools, rectories, buildings, holdings, etc.'

The devout will have to go underground to worship.

But remember...

There will ALWAYS be a remnant.

The Inquisition, Part II.

For anyone who knows the Episcopal Church or the Anglican Communion, let me ask:

1. Did anyone doubt that Robinson's election would be approved by the House of Bishops? Nooo- duh!

2. Does anyone think that the Anglican Communion will have the institutional courage to separate itself from this act? Nooo - duh!

The liberal/conservative split among members of our local historic Episcopal Church had created some strained relationships before this happened. I fear for how hostile the atmosphere will be in church this Sunday now that this controversial deed is done.

I'm thinking about reducing my weekly contributions by 90 percent until I see if our church is going to affiliate directly with the faithful worldwide Anglicans or stay in the now-corrupted American Episcopal Church.

What are others going to do? Any suggestions for how we can retain our church facilities, our church family AND our faith? Because we have families with loved ones buried in our historic graveyard for generations back, many would be quite reluctant to abandon the facilities and start over elsewhere.

The New Novus Ordo Heresy Roman Catholic Church would be a perfect home for the scismatic Episcopalians. Both are heading to a point where they will agree with each other's dogmas.

#85. THANK YOU. I always greatly and humbly appreciate blessings! :-)

#91...very true. I like to recite The Apostles Creed every day - kind of a spiritual disinfectant, a way to say, YES, THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

#92 A brilliant analogy.

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This is about as much good old Christian hatefulness as I've ever seen in one place.

Re 83, I heard that too.

91, and Christ said you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. GOD, who defined homosexuality as an abomination.

It's not a matter of ''intolerance''. It's a matter of not mocking God.

I wonder if the President is going to get a screening of The Passion from Gibson...bet he does.

''This is about as much good old Christian hatefulness as I've ever seen in one place.''

This isn't about ''hatefulness'', it's about TRUTH.

Isa 5:20-23 ''Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!''

Please read the Bible.

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Come on, Wild Bill. A smart guy like you ought to be able to show us how to do it right.

Is the problem because of the word "openly?"

My cousin is a bishop, is "gay" and never has a word been said.

What is the hubbub?

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